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SemperFi2382 · Posted: Mar Tue 15, 2005 3:08 pm Post subject: Cheap wins.

Is it just the AI on Easy Setting, or is it really that easy to pull off a cheap win via the following strat.

Units:
- Transport Helo
- Special Forces (Pack 2)
- Special Forces (Pack 2)
- Transport Helo
- Special Forces (Pack 2)
- Special Forces (Pack 2)

The Strategy:
Fly wide and fast to the enemy Capitol. Remember, take the route the AI is NOT using, otherwise your choppers will die. Once there, land close enough to the Capitol that your Special Forces can capture the Capitol (3 hexes). Attack the lone AA Gun with 2-3 of the Special Forces with AT Missles. use the 4th to capture the capitol.....

The problem is, does the AI even make an attempt at higher AI settings to avoid this? I've won a few desperate missions in Free Play this way, but it's so...wrong.

Comments?

The only way I can see to avoid this is to simply NOT to do this, but technically, you could assault the AI's capitol with other units as long as it didn't detect them coming. I would think that since the Capitol is the main objective, the AI would make a higher priority to defend it.
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Iron Giant · Joined: 08 Mar 2005 Posts: 27

Well I tried that tactic over the weekend, its does seem a bit unbalanced. On the other hand, this game is hard, even on the easiest settings, and I haven't tried it on the higher settings.

I've been trying the Triangle Map for a while and couldn't seem to win, until I used this tactic against 2 of the 3 enemies..

Dagger · Joined: 25 Mar 2005 Posts: 2

Anyone have any experience in trying this against a human opponent? I foresee some human battles in the future, and both of us are aware of this strategy...

I guess the success of this tactic depends on the map being played, but it really makes me want to reevaluate how many units I leave guarding the capitol. I haven't had much of a problem keeping the AI away from my capitol (usually just infantry on the capitol with a couple of tanks/artillary patrolling the surrounding area), but against an aggressive human opponent capable of deception this could be a problem. It's fairly cheap to produce a wave of these, and if just two or three of them manage to land within moving distance of your capitol (with decent health), you're hosed. Mad

I suppose the answer is to maintain powerful air support within a decent radius around the capitol, in order to damage as many of these transports as possible, before they get within striking distance.

I don't know...I don't want to consider this an unfair strategy, so I would like to know of a cost-effective solution to put these transports in their place! Anyone have any ideas?

SemperFi2382 · Posted: Mar Tue 29, 2005 4:34 pm Post subject:

Kab the Mentat · Posted: Mar Thu 31, 2005 1:45 pm Post subject: YEAH BABY

Yeah, I've done this against the AI and a human. It was kinda funny on both accounts. My brother and I decided to make our own map. He was Germany and I was Israel (his general was named Gen. Beer Stein and mine was the Hebrew Hammer...stupid stuff we do, I know). Anyway, he was full on gearing up for total war. I took off with a couple of helos and some Special Forces. About 15 minutes later he was kinda surprised to see a lone Israeli and a Merkeva standing between him and my capital. He offs them and thinks it's a clear ride to Tel Aviv...but next turn I land and basically go Rainbow Six on his capital. Needless to say he wasn't amused.

But talk about lessons learned the hard way. He no longer leaves his capital naked and now stocks it with AA units. Which helps me still because that's time and money he's gotta waste on Commando-proofing his capital. SUCKA!
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Adoug · Posted: Mar Thu 31, 2005 2:00 pm Post subject:

Hebrew Hammer...Gen Beer Stien...lol...glad to hear your having fun...and that your brother learned not to leave his capital unprotected! Twisted Evil

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SemperFi2382 · Posted: Apr Fri 01, 2005 7:09 am Post subject:

Iron Giant · Joined: 08 Mar 2005 Posts: 27

I can see this working against the AI, and I can see it working against a human player once, but all you'd have to do for real cheap money is put an Infantry on your capital (or some high defence unit) and then a couple of cheap artillery.

For that matter, for just 700 credits you could surround your capital with 7 infantry. Thats cheaper than the 2 helicopters and 4 Special forces they are defending against, no? I don't think 4 special forces will get through 7 Infantry...

SemperFi2382 · Posted: Apr Sat 02, 2005 7:30 am Post subject:

tyrannical · Joined: 04 Mar 2005 Posts: 51

I think all you have to do is destroy the unit ON the capital and land a transport copter on a free space next to the capital. I think an infantry can exit and enter the capital regardless of what else is around him.
Or it might be there needs to be a free space next to the capital to land, and the two spaces next to that needs to be free.
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Kab the Mentat · Posted: Apr Sun 03, 2005 11:28 am Post subject: SUCKA! Part II

Did it again against a human player. Funny thing was I told him exactly what I was going to do. The only hitch was that I sent a fleet of Merkivas on a suicide mission to rattle his cage...so he thought I was telling him stories and was just trying to trick him into guarding his capital against helicopters and Mossad agents.

I've tried to do this tactic with other countries and it usually ends in my utter defeat if I didn't bother making a back up force and play the map as a conventional game. Oddly enough (or not), when I used the French it ended in a bloody disaster. I think the moral of the story is that this tactic works pretty well when you're the Israelis or US.

Ice, cold KILLAAAH!

Oh P.S. Thank the ever loving God for whoever decided to put mortars on Merks. They are some handy pieces of death machines.
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Adoug · Posted: Apr Sun 03, 2005 9:26 pm Post subject:

Semper Fi...About the strategy:

Although sometimes quick, it is a decent strategy (especially against humans, since it is an AI weakness when fighting the computer), which I have only used a few times. Afterall, the goal is to win. I was once in a battle where the enemy was sending fully loaded transport ships across a narrow channel...and I would send them to the bottom of the ocean everytime with a sub. I basically strangled the enemy because he eventually ran out of money...or recieved less and less. The point is, that the computer kept sending the ships to there death (although it did send out some sub killer airplanes evenutally) when it should have used an alternate strategy. I guess it is what it is. Wink

Adoug

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Guest · Posted: Apr Sun 03, 2005 10:27 pm Post subject:

As long as you can move through the enemy's zone of controls all you have to do is destroy the unit on the capital, and this stratedgy works for all the armies if the transports are supportted with attack choppers correctly. I have used it alot against the AI with every nationallity except china.

Iron Giant · Joined: 08 Mar 2005 Posts: 27

SemperFi2382 · Posted: Apr Thu 07, 2005 7:16 am Post subject: