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SemperFi2382
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 Posted: May Mon 02, 2005 9:45 am Post subject:
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| DoubleTap wrote: |
| Now I wish you could use units from different countries on the same side... you could use some Special Forces(as Green Berets) with some air support (Apaches and Spooky 2s) along with some, say Chinese units against a Chinese opfor, to simulate Army spec ops guys going in and acting as a cadre for a rebel army. Still, this game just keeps getting better and better. |
Lol, sounds sort of like the campaign missions. Well, once Green Army is introduced.
But, yeah if this game is this good now. Imagine if we could get a sequel. *coughhintcough* 
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tyrannical
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Posted: May Tue 03, 2005 1:38 pm Post subject:
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I wasn't impressed with the Spookies. Don't that have to be at a fuel burning low altitude to attack?
I like the A10s becuase they are half the price and can drop bombs at medium altitude. The A10s can also shoot down the Spookies.
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SemperFi2382
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Posted: May Tue 03, 2005 4:00 pm Post subject:
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| tyrannical wrote: |
I wasn't impressed with the Spookies. Don't that have to be at a fuel burning low altitude to attack?
I like the A10s becuase they are half the price and can drop bombs at medium altitude. The A10s can also shoot down the Spookies. |
Half the price, half the ammo. Not to mention a whole slew of other things.
I'm glad someone doesn't read the WHOLE thread befoe making a half baked comment. 
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DanielRuoss
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Posted: May Tue 24, 2005 1:21 pm Post subject:
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Just a little tidbit. In the latest Jane's Aircraft guidebook the AC-130U is denoted as having the "Spooky" nickname. I consider Jane's as pretty much the final word in these issues.
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SemperFi2382
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Posted: May Wed 25, 2005 6:43 am Post subject:
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| DanielRuoss wrote: |
| Just a little tidbit. In the latest Jane's Aircraft guidebook the AC-130U is denoted as having the "Spooky" nickname. I consider Jane's as pretty much the final word in these issues. |
Well if Jane's has it, it must be true. No joke either. Many of the instructors at the School of Infantry for the US Marine Corps while I was there highly recommended Jane's as a study guide for identification of friendly and enemy hardware. 
Having served myself and growing up in a military family, I can't ever remember not seeing a Jane's book. I seemed to have lost mine when I moved though. 
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tyrannical
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Posted: Jun Sat 04, 2005 7:48 am Post subject:
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| SemperFi2382 wrote: |
| tyrannical wrote: |
I wasn't impressed with the Spookies. Don't that have to be at a fuel burning low altitude to attack?
I like the A10s becuase they are half the price and can drop bombs at medium altitude. The A10s can also shoot down the Spookies. |
Half the price, half the ammo. Not to mention a whole slew of other things.
I'm glad someone doesn't read the WHOLE thread befoe making a half baked comment.
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Tha A10 carries plenty of ammo, 5 bombs, 3 gatling, and 1 AA missile. 8 or 9 turns of good attacks. What exactly are the "slew" of things that make the Spookies better then the A10s? The A10s are also some of the best anti chopper units in the game.
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SemperFi2382
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Posted: Jun Sat 04, 2005 1:05 pm Post subject:
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| tyrannical wrote: |
Tha A10 carries plenty of ammo, 5 bombs, 3 gatling, and 1 AA missile. 8 or 9 turns of good attacks. What exactly are the "slew" of things that make the Spookies better then the A10s? The A10s are also some of the best anti chopper units in the game. |
1.) Unguided bombs suck (Save for the 2000 pounders used by the heavy bombers). The Mavericks (Ammo count 3) are much better and have better hit rate vs. Armor.
2.) Range(fuel use/capacity)/Speed/Cost effectiveness are the "slew" of other things. Sure, I can use KC-135s to extend the range of my A-10s, but the KC-135s are expensive, are non-combat and usually are best allocated somewhere other than babysitting A-10s. The A-10s are slower to get to their area of operation if they have to travel far and sometimes that's just too long. With all that in mind, it makes the AC-130s much more useful as I don't have to wait and buy an extra unit to support longer campaigns with limited airfield use.
3.) A-10s are NOT Air to Air units. Yes, they "can" be used in a pinch, but they are "designed" for Close Air Support.
NOTE: I know AC-130s are not capable of fighting Air to Air at all, but that's not what they are intended for. That's what fighters and interceptors are for.
NOTE 2: I don't hate the A-10s, don't get me wrong. Just don't go saying that the A-10s are better, cause they're not. However, they are equal when used in the role they were designed for.
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JVGFanatic
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Posted: Jun Sat 04, 2005 2:03 pm Post subject:
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Just don't go saying that the A-10s are better, cause they're not.
Pardon me but I don't think tyrannical ever did say they were better. He preceded each of his opinions with "I like..." and "I wasn't impressed..." thus he's free to say whatever the heck he wants 
Personally, if i were to run contrary to SemperFi I would also couch it in opinion cause it's clear that SF has the facts.
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SemperFi2382
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Posted: Jun Mon 06, 2005 8:08 pm Post subject:
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| JVGFanatic wrote: |
Just don't go saying that the A-10s are better, cause they're not.
Pardon me but I don't think tyrannical ever did say they were better. He preceded each of his opinions with "I like..." and "I wasn't impressed..." thus he's free to say whatever the heck he wants
Personally, if i were to run contrary to SemperFi I would also couch it in opinion cause it's clear that SF has the facts. |
Well put JVG. Heh, I tend to be over zealous at times. 
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tyrannical
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Posted: Jul Sun 10, 2005 2:15 pm Post subject:
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A-10s are betterA-10s are betterA-10s are betterA-10s are betterA-10s are betterA-10s are betterA-10s are betterA-10s are betterA-10s are betterA-10s are betterA-10s are betterA-10s are betterA-10s are better
There I said it. I mean in the game too, not in real life millitary.
The unguided A-10 bombs far from suck. Especially as the A-10 gains levels, and it gains them quickly. I like them because I get 2 more of them and +1 flying speed with the A-10 vs the maveriks or guided bombs.
Maybe I'm mistaken, but don't you have to fly at low level to use the Maveriks?
A-10 NOT an Air to Air unit? Their gatling guns chew right through choppers. You can fly at medium height over a low height chopper and the chopper won't get it's AA counter attack.
Once they get B rank and above, they are even decent against real fighters. Most fighters don't gain levels quickly because of a lack of targets usually. I can usually attack with the A-10 7 or 8 turns in a row. Usually plenty of ground or chopper targets.
A low rank interceptor has a hard time doing any significant damage to a endurance 4 high rank A-10. And A-10s gain levels quickly. Also they are about the cheapest air plane.
So instead of just disagreeing with me, try using them as anti-chopper units.
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SemperFi2382
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Posted: Jul Sun 10, 2005 5:44 pm Post subject:
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Wow, once again you FAIL TO READ MY POSTS!
They are equal. End of discussion.
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DeviousPENGUIN
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Posted: Jul Mon 11, 2005 10:10 am Post subject:
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I have to agree with Ty here, his reasons of leveling up and weapon loadout as well as the ability to target air and ground targets makes the A-10 a better unit in the game. The Spooky is a good platform but the flexibility of the A-10 makes it the superior choice especially at half the price of the spooky.
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SemperFi2382
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Posted: Jul Mon 11, 2005 11:20 am Post subject:
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| DeviousPENGUIN wrote: |
| I have to agree with Ty here, his reasons of leveling up and weapon loadout as well as the ability to target air and ground targets makes the A-10 a better unit in the game. The Spooky is a good platform but the flexibility of the A-10 makes it the superior choice especially at half the price of the spooky. |
I give up.
If anyone bothered to read my posts, they both have their good and bad points which sets them on equal footing. Although it seems that combined arms isn't the obvious and most strategic point of view here.
Why use the A-10 as an anti-air platform when you "should" have air cover already? Sure they make good helo hunters, but why sit and burn up that when you can use the gatling gun to chew up armor? I understand Ty's argument, but to argue that a unit is better than another with someone that is just pointing out that they are equal is just...stupid.
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JVGFanatic
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Posted: Jul Mon 11, 2005 11:47 am Post subject:
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| but to argue that a unit is better than another with someone that is just pointing out that they are equal is just...stupid |
Um, perhaps insisting that something is equal when there are obvious differences is the stupid thing. I don't know, I've not even read the thread, I don't care but please, the logic of that statement is...um...nevermind 
It's obvious that both of you have added to the discussion, it's too bad it has to be clouded with insults.
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Maul
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Posted: Jul Mon 11, 2005 1:53 pm Post subject: Re: AC 130 Spooky
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| SemperFi2382 wrote: |
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| why is this 3000? Am I missing something or is this a piece of garbage? |
Ahh, The AC-130U Spectre Gunship.
I think it got translated wrong, because there is no "Spooky" belonging to the AC-130s. But anyways...
I love the AC-130s over helos for 2 reasons. First, they carry a lot more ammo and firepower for raining death down on artillery and support units. (Though they can be used on other targets, just that's how I use them.) Second, they can move farther much faster than a helo, which is important if your front is far away or you need a rapid response to a new threat.
Personally, I love to use them (When not playing as a MEU) and have lost only 2 or 3 total out of 15 or so that I have used. There are about 2-3 S ranked that I have and I use them fairly early on if resources allow. Compared to the helos, they may not be as easily repaired/rearmed/replenished due to the fact that they need an airfield, but in the long run it balances out. True, you can equip you attack helos with Anti-Air weapons where the AC-130 cannot, but I don't usually throw my helos against air units unless it's a transport or capture capable helo. So, air cover is important regardless so that for me it isn't a factor because I keep fighter escorts around, as well as an AEW aircraft so I know if I need to pull my AC-130s back. As for ground based SAMs, well I laugh at them because the next attack from the AC-130s is on them and always with devestating results.
Long post I know, but just my 2 cents on a unit that I love both in the game and in real life. (If you've ever seen one in action, you would too.)
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I get your point SF. I'd prefer the A-10 for its versitality, esspecially against armor. The spooky is limited to specific targets. But when its attacking the right targets, look out
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