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Manikese
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 Posted: May Thu 19, 2005 6:41 am Post subject: Stealth
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How does the stealth attribute come into play?
Is there really a difference between a stealth level of 24 and that of 12?
Why is the B2 bomber so much more expensive than the B-1B?
Thanks for your input guys!
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SemperFi2382
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Posted: May Thu 19, 2005 8:25 am Post subject: Re: Stealth
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| Manikese wrote: |
How does the stealth attribute come into play?
Is there really a difference between a stealth level of 24 and that of 12?
Why is the B2 bomber so much more expensive than the B-1B?
Thanks for your input guys! |
Stealth comes into play when the stealth unit is in range of enemy radar equipped units. The higher the stealth rating, the lower the chance the enemy will detect you via their radar. However, this will not prevent you from being spotted visually (aka you fly right next to an enemy).
Stealth also helps missle based attack evasion.
The reason the B-2 costs so much more is because it is a true stealth unit. Whereas, the B-1B is not a true stealth unit, though it is much stealthier than say the B-52 (which isn't in this game, but IRL that how it is)
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Manikese
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Posted: May Fri 20, 2005 6:17 am Post subject:
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Thanks man, I appreciate your reply!
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SemperFi2382
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Posted: May Fri 20, 2005 8:52 am Post subject:
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| Manikese wrote: |
| Thanks man, I appreciate your reply! |
Anytime. 
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DoubleTap
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Posted: May Fri 20, 2005 11:51 am Post subject:
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And when he says 'anytime', he means it. If you ask SF a question, check back soon. He's FAST.
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SemperFi2382
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Posted: May Fri 20, 2005 1:21 pm Post subject:
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| DoubleTap wrote: |
| And when he says 'anytime', he means it. If you ask SF a question, check back soon. He's FAST. |
 
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Posted: Aug Sat 06, 2005 12:40 pm Post subject:
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SF:
When you wrote "The higher the stealth rating, the lower the chance the enemy will detect you via their radar"....what is that "chance" youre talking about?..I mean..how is it calculated?....have you ever done any test regarding this matter?
For "chance" I understand that sometimes the enemy will detect flying stealthy units and sometimes they will not...being the less stealthy equipied more likely to be detected than the more stealthy ones...am I getting this right so far?
Maybe Adoug should clarify our path a little regarding this issue
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ROBERT
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Posted: Aug Sun 07, 2005 11:25 am Post subject:
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I'm interested in the answer to the above asked question......
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SemperFi2382
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Posted: Aug Mon 08, 2005 10:00 pm Post subject:
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SF:
When you wrote "The higher the stealth rating, the lower the chance the enemy will detect you via their radar"....what is that "chance" youre talking about?..I mean..how is it calculated?....have you ever done any test regarding this matter?
For "chance" I understand that sometimes the enemy will detect flying stealthy units and sometimes they will not...being the less stealthy equipied more likely to be detected than the more stealthy ones...am I getting this right so far?
Maybe Adoug should clarify our path a little regarding this issue |
I'm not sure if there is a calculation on this or not. All my test results come out skewed and never the same, but the trend makes it almost like the rating is the percent chance that they are detected each turn. This seems to apply once and only once a turn and not based off of how many units might be able to spot it.
Though in my opinion, the numbers are quite low for using percentages, but that might have been a play balance issue.
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ROBERT
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Posted: Aug Mon 08, 2005 10:09 pm Post subject:
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I tought it was all the way around..I mean...what you are saying is the bigger the unit's stealth rating the bigger the chance it is going to be detected?..perhaps it's the opposite
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SemperFi2382
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Posted: Aug Tue 09, 2005 9:15 am Post subject:
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| ROBERT wrote: |
| I tought it was all the way around..I mean...what you are saying is the bigger the unit's stealth rating the bigger the chance it is going to be detected?..perhaps it's the opposite |
The bigger the Stealth rating, the smaller the chance that it will NOT be detected. The other means could be some sort of ratio.
Like with a Stealth Rating of say 20, there's a 1 in 20 chance that you will be detected. Whereas, a Stealth Rating of 10 has the possibility of being spotted 1 in 10. So the higher the rating, the higher the odds of NOT being detected.
Maybe that makes more sense.
For those that are confused, think of it like rolling dice. A 6-sided die gives you a 1 in 6 chance to get set number. So, if you wanted to spot a Stealth unit rated at a 6, you'd have to roll a 6 to see it. Otherwise, you can't see it. Now, say there's another unit with a rating of 2. Now, rolling that die, you have a 1 in 2 (50/50) chance of detecting it. So, now if you roll a 4, 5 or 6 you are successful and the unit is spotted.
So in this game, it's better to have a bigger Stealth Rating, as the higher your number, the less chance that the enemy will "win" and detect you.
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ElricJC
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Posted: Aug Tue 16, 2005 5:55 pm Post subject: Stealth defense
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Stealth rating also adds to defense. The F-22 is such a bastard because not only does it have a huge evasion rating (58%/60%/56% Hi-Med-Low), but with its stealth rating this only increases.
For instance, an E level SU-35 Super Flanker attacked my E level F-15 Strike Eagle. It had around a 42% hit chance. Another SU-35 attacked my E level F-22. It had a 27% hit chance. Most of the time they seem to hit as often regardless of stealth, but over time I have found stealth to save my air units a lot of trouble. I usually use a strike force of 3 F-35s (Interceptor or VTOL configuration mostly, equipped with an all-missile auite) and 1 F-22 as roving attack fighters. They tend to fair well against any other enemy fighters due to their stealth advantage, both in detection and in defense values.
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SemperFi2382
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Posted: Aug Sat 20, 2005 12:03 pm Post subject: Re: Stealth defense
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| ElricJC wrote: |
| Stealth rating also adds to defense. The F-22 is such a bastard because not only does it have a huge evasion rating (58%/60%/56% Hi-Med-Low), but with its stealth rating this only increases. |
The Raptor is truly a beast. It's fast, hard to hit and it can go for a decent amount of time alone. Too bad the Corps doesn't get any. The last thing the enemies need is US Marine Stealth aircraft in addition to a ton of Marines on the deck.
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ElricJC
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Posted: Aug Sat 20, 2005 7:02 pm Post subject: Stealth fighters
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| The Raptor is truly a beast. It's fast, hard to hit and it can go for a decent amount of time alone. Too bad the Corps doesn't get any |
But the Corps will be getting the F-35C (VTOL variant). While it doesn't have the sophistication of the F-22, it still is a very capable stealth aircraft (Rating of 20 I believe, combined with an evasion rating of 55%). When configured with air weapons only, they have a 12 (1 move and 70 fuel. Not great compared to either the Eagle or the Raptor, but when its only 2200 per unit, you can field these easier than a Raptor, and they can be resupplied via supply trucks. Many times I use F-35s over F-22s as long as I have points of resupply along the way (be it a supply truck or two with a friendly city, airports, or a Wasp assault craft).
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SemperFi2382
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Posted: Aug Sun 21, 2005 1:29 pm Post subject: Re: Stealth fighters
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| The Raptor is truly a beast. It's fast, hard to hit and it can go for a decent amount of time alone. Too bad the Corps doesn't get any |
But the Corps will be getting the F-35C (VTOL variant). While it doesn't have the sophistication of the F-22, it still is a very capable stealth aircraft (Rating of 20 I believe, combined with an evasion rating of 55%). When configured with air weapons only, they have a 12 (1 move and 70 fuel. Not great compared to either the Eagle or the Raptor, but when its only 2200 per unit, you can field these easier than a Raptor, and they can be resupplied via supply trucks. Many times I use F-35s over F-22s as long as I have points of resupply along the way (be it a supply truck or two with a friendly city, airports, or a Wasp assault craft).
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This is true, though I tend to use Harriers instead of the F-35C because I'm just a big Harrier fan. Though I'm sure my sig image made that obvious. Besides, the Raptors look meaner.
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