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DanielRuoss
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 Posted: Aug Tue 23, 2005 6:57 pm Post subject: Re: to tech or not to tech...
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| irashunal wrote: |
| Y'know i've often wondered - if it wasn't for American hi-tech in all of our military.. how would we actually stack up against the rest of the world's military? What if we were forced to fight with bare bones equipment like some of these third world countries? |
Just look to our history. It could be argued successfully that our equipment was inferior to the Germans in WW2, yet our soldiers could go to head-to-head with Hitler's best. Go further in history and during the Revolutionary War we were outnumbered in soldiers and outclassed weapon wise but beat England's best soldiers. We did it again in the War of 1812. Remember that British soldiers were very experienced due to fighting either in Europe or in the rest of the Empire.
The difference for the American fighting soldier has always been his motivation. Fighting for your country's high ideas of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness motivates an individual much more than fighting for the personal aggrandizement of petty tyrants which is what goes on in the third world.
Even if you take away the American soldier's high-tech weapons you are still left with a well motivated, well trained, and highly disciplined soldier. After all, any soldier is taught to fight hand-to-hand if it comes to it. Multiply that several times when talking about Rangers, Marine Recon, SEALS, Green Berets, and all other specially trained US units.
I'm sure SemperFi can testify to most of what I've mentioned. He may be out of the Corps but I'd be sure to be careful of picking a fight without thinking things through! Such as....life insurance, health insurance, "Do I have a weapon?", etc..... lol 
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SemperFi2382
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Posted: Aug Tue 23, 2005 7:31 pm Post subject: Re: to tech or not to tech...
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| DanielRuoss wrote: |
| irashunal wrote: |
| Y'know i've often wondered - if it wasn't for American hi-tech in all of our military.. how would we actually stack up against the rest of the world's military? What if we were forced to fight with bare bones equipment like some of these third world countries? |
I'm sure SemperFi can testify to most of what I've mentioned. He may be out of the Corps but I'd be sure to be careful of picking a fight without thinking things through! Such as....life insurance, health insurance, "Do I have a weapon?", etc..... lol
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I'm just gonna leave that statement speak for itself. 
Ooh Rah! Carry on. 
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DoubleTap
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Posted: Aug Sat 27, 2005 9:05 am Post subject:
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Improvisation and "Think fast, rabbit" tactics and thought processes are thoroughly ingrained in the modern US military. I just imagine, say, a squad's worth of Americans in their late teens and early 20s, from all over the country (plus Puerto Rico and Guam), all of whom are motivated enough to have joined the military. Now provide them, MacGuyver-like, with: a. A Problem, and b. An empty jerry can, two rolls of duct tape, a 2x4, and a non-functional '72 Dodge Dart.
What is there that the aformentioned group could NOT accomplish?
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SemperFi2382
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Posted: Aug Sat 27, 2005 11:45 pm Post subject:
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| DoubleTap wrote: |
Improvisation and "Think fast, rabbit" tactics and thought processes are thoroughly ingrained in the modern US military. I just imagine, say, a squad's worth of Americans in their late teens and early 20s, from all over the country (plus Puerto Rico and Guam), all of whom are motivated enough to have joined the military. No provide them, MacGuyver-like, with: a. A Problem, and b. An empty jerry can, two rolls of duct tape, a 2x4, and a non-functional '72 Dodge Dart.
What is there that the aformentioned group could NOT accomplish? |
Wow, 2 rolls huh? We must have gotten a break in the budget. We can do serious damage with one roll, but two, well hehe.
All I have to say is that a coffee can, 2-sided tape, some det cord and saline solution is more than enough to keep a Marine occupied for a few hours. That is, until that coffee can is no longer usable. 
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DoubleTap
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Posted: Aug Mon 29, 2005 9:14 am Post subject:
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Was the coffe can full, and then said Marine made and imbibed the coffee, or was the coffe can provided sans grinds?
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SemperFi2382
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Posted: Aug Mon 29, 2005 11:20 am Post subject:
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| DoubleTap wrote: |
| Was the coffe can full, and then said Marine made and imbibed the coffee, or was the coffe can provided sans grinds? |
Hopefully, it's full. If you've ever had coffee in the field (the kind from the MREs), that's vile. I'll take the fresh good coffee anytime. However, the can does need to be empty for this particular brand of enjoyment to work.
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irashunal
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Posted: Sep Fri 02, 2005 5:28 pm Post subject: WAR BASHING PINKOS
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As my grandfather was fond of saying after a wee bit too much vodka.. "#@%*! hippie freak war bashing pinkos!!". He would go on to talk about how the younger generation knew nothing about patriotism and sacrifice.... it was mildly humourous at the time.
But now i find myself looking at the current standings of the world around me and have to catch myself before, after a wee bit too much tequila, much of the same things that my dear old grandfather would say.
Why are there so many bleeding heart liberal tree hugging pseudo-socialist elites out there today? What happened to the country that realized that brute force is sometimes the only means that will achieve and end to brutality already in motion?
If talk always solved problems then politicians would actually be worth what they are paid. Instead they end up being not just the butt of jokes but the source of many of our conflicts and domestic troubles.
Nuff said.
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SemperFi2382
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Posted: Sep Fri 02, 2005 10:38 pm Post subject: Re: WAR BASHING PINKOS
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| irashunal wrote: |
As my grandfather was fond of saying after a wee bit too much vodka.. "#@%*! hippie freak war bashing pinkos!!". He would go on to talk about how the younger generation knew nothing about patriotism and sacrifice.... it was mildly humourous at the time.
But now i find myself looking at the current standings of the world around me and have to catch myself before, after a wee bit too much tequila, much of the same things that my dear old grandfather would say.
Why are there so many bleeding heart liberal tree hugging pseudo-socialist elites out there today? What happened to the country that realized that brute force is sometimes the only means that will achieve and end to brutality already in motion?
If talk always solved problems then politicians would actually be worth what they are paid. Instead they end up being not just the butt of jokes but the source of many of our conflicts and domestic troubles.
Nuff said. |
That my friend is a question in which the person that finds the answer deserves a Nobel Peace Prize.
Until then, we will have a lot of great material for comedians around the globe lol.
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Adoug
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Posted: Sep Fri 02, 2005 10:39 pm Post subject:
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If you want peace, prepare for war.
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JVGFanatic
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Posted: Sep Sat 03, 2005 12:27 am Post subject:
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Why are there so many bleeding heart liberal tree hugging pseudo-socialist elites out there today?
Because all the bigoted, ignorant, narrow-minded, neo-conservative, school-yard-bully-Bush-huggers need a group upon which to vent their inferiority-driven angst. Labels, gotta love em.
The rhetoric in the preceding posts is just grotesque in its obviousness. Of course I should expect as much from a "television audience."
Can we get back to the games please?
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SemperFi2382
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Posted: Sep Sat 03, 2005 1:23 pm Post subject:
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| JVGFanatic wrote: |
| Can we get back to the games please? |
Indeed.
*Proceeds to setup a checkpoint to prevent any further political nonsense from entering the game discussion*
Ooh Rah! Carry on.
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ROBERT
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Posted: Sep Sat 03, 2005 2:56 pm Post subject:
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| SemperFi2382 wrote: |
| JVGFanatic wrote: |
| Can we get back to the games please? |
Indeed.
*Proceeds to setup a checkpoint to prevent any further political nonsense from entering the game discussion*
Ooh Rah! Carry on.
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I agree
wasn't that abot france's topic anyway?
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SemperFi2382
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Posted: Sep Sat 03, 2005 5:47 pm Post subject:
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| ROBERT wrote: |
I agree
wasn't that abot france's topic anyway? |
I thought it was too, but at some point I'm sure the conversation bled over and became annoying.
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Adoug
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Posted: Sep Mon 05, 2005 2:09 am Post subject:
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So...how bout them tank destroyers..?!
since that is the name of the thread... 
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SemperFi2382
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Posted: Sep Mon 05, 2005 9:22 am Post subject:
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| Adoug wrote: |
So...how bout them tank destroyers..?!
since that is the name of the thread...
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Heh, I think that these units need to be a tad more on the useful side, rather than simple mop up units. They are great for initial defenses, and when I mean initial, I mean they get off a surprise attack.
Honestly, I would think that these units would be a tad more useful if say, their firepower and/or weapon reach is extended. Especially the ones that use guided missles as their primary weapon.
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