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irashunal · Guest

As i was growing up - the end of vietnam during my elementary years and then the cold war years afterwards, my military family members used to talk about the Soviet MiGs being so difficult to shoot down. I learned to respect the MiG-27 and 29's before i even knew anything about air warfare at all. So i must say that i've been kind of surprised at how ineffective the Soviet airpower is - as far as jets go. Their bomber is a dynamic frontline flatliner but the rest of the set - interceptors on down are disappointing to say the least.

I can understand them not stacking up against some of the U.S. top machines but i generally don't have any luck against ANY enemy air force that i've went up against with the AI (even on EASY). WTF?!? Question

SemperFi2382 · Posted: Sep Mon 19, 2005 8:08 am Post subject:

Flankers my friend, Flankers. These are the way to go. Flankers, Strike Flankers, Naval Flankers and Super Flankers (aka the "terminator) are the prime aircraft that I use for the Russians. They are fast, long legged, carry a decent load of weapons and are brutal to the enemy.

Personally, I liked Migs myself at first, but between Combat Flight Sims and various documentaries, the Flanker series has become my preferred Soviet air unit of choice. In the game, it delivers for the price I pay for them and once they hit S Rank, they are a menace because I rarely see them completely destroyed, even after being attacked 3-4 times in one round. They take a lot of hits, I fly them back, re-arm repair and then head back out. Cool

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DanielRuoss · Joined: 27 Apr 2005 Posts: 103 Location: Ft. Lauderdale, FL

I don't find the Russian air units underpowered at all. When I play against American units I'm able to overwhelm with numbers since the Russian units are far cheaper. Lately I've been using 3-4 MiG-31 'Foxhounds' with the Pack 2 weapons fit. If you have an enemy that repeatedly is making incursions with air units you can set these guys up in a line with an air tanker and let the enemy come to you. The next turn you can give them a good beating and it usually forces them back.

ElricJC · Guest

The weapons offered in the Russian arsenal in this game is a mixed bag of old and new, and certain aircraft will be inferior. The MiGs 29 and 31 are older generation aircraft and are inferior to any modern air unit in many ways, but the Flanker series is superb and represents the current Russian main line fighter force. Their best is the Super Flanker, for all the reasons SemperFi mentioned, and the Strike Flanker and Naval Flanker are also formidable. The Chinese J-11 is actually an Su-27 Flanker copy and is also quite good, as is the Su-30MMK in the ground attack configuration.

The Russians suffer for good ground attack aircraft, besides the Backfire, but their units can find some good tactical use. The old Su-25 Frogfoot has pathetically short range but if provided with a nearby airport it can slam any approaching ground units with its load of three guided bombs, fire off its cannon at ground units or helis, and then retreat. When flying in formation with a tanker, they can also find gretaer long range utility.

Now my question is, why didn't they put the Blackjack bomber in this game? Talk about a huge, fast, powerful bomber. Biggest bomber ever built, and one of the fastest too. That would give the Russians some serious air power.

SemperFi2382 · Posted: Sep Mon 19, 2005 9:01 pm Post subject: Re: Russian Air Power

JVGFanatic · Posted: Sep Tue 20, 2005 11:21 am Post subject:

So far (though I've not had any time as usual) this is one thing I love about PC strategy gaming...the ability to mod. So far I can pretty much turn any game of the batch I purchased on its ears by modifying certain files (in notepad or excel).

This goes as far in some games as map layout, alliances, unit data, etc... pretty much anything.

Of course most of these games also include editors.

SemperFi2382 · Posted: Sep Wed 21, 2005 9:46 am Post subject:

katana · Joined: 16 Jul 2005 Posts: 15

i always build couple of MIG-31 because of there detection range for high, medium and low.
SU-27, SU-35 and SU-33 i mostly use for combat

i wish they could put SU-30MK (or even better add India because SU-30MKI), S-37 (even though its experimental) and Mig 1.44

i really like the SU-27 because i always play Lock On (started playing a months ago) and im a flanker fan. lol

DanielRuoss · Joined: 27 Apr 2005 Posts: 103 Location: Ft. Lauderdale, FL

SemperFi2382 · Posted: Oct Sun 02, 2005 12:29 pm Post subject:

ElricJC · Guest

I have a book on modern combat aircraft which specifically has sections on the S-37 and the MiG 1.44.

The S-37 is specifically a tech-tester, and the the Russians claim their MiG 1.44, which also uses vectored thrust reputedly and a kind of "Plasmatic Radar Deflection System", or a plasmatized coating, would make it superior to the F/A-22.

Uh, yeah, right, that'll be the day. Even if it was, what would the cost be? For us, a large amount, for the Russians though it would be crippling - they couldn't even buy their own aircraft, and the Russians have always claimed they have made better aircraft since the beginning of the Cold War, but since the whole MiG 15 vs. F-86 Sabre duels over Korea, they've never been able to prove it, especially since we developed the Eagle, which has a perfect 200-0 Kill/Loss ratio since its debut in 1974. The Russians propaganda is just a lot of hot air. Their aircraft have been good, but not the best by a long shot.

SemperFi2382 · Posted: Oct Mon 03, 2005 7:07 pm Post subject: Re: Soviet Air Future

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DanielRuoss · Joined: 27 Apr 2005 Posts: 103 Location: Ft. Lauderdale, FL