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[ElricJC]

DanielRuoss has a good point - While U.S. and Russian pilots have not faced off personally since Korea, those who were trained by and used their equipment have, and both in the air and on the land, the Israelis were dealing major spankage, to put it in layman's terms .

The Russians since Zhukov in particular have been about Mass and less about Economy of Force. The reason is simple... there are a lot of god damn Russians, especially when Russia led the U.S.S.R and had their satellites to draw on. Zhukov was a good general, but frankly he won more by throwing lots of bodies at the enemy than he did by excellent maneuver. His logistics were good though.

The Russians could not win with this tactic alone, though, and combined that Victory by Attrition strategy with military equipment built to match the strategy - rugged, hard wearing, inexpensive equipment they could afford to lose. As Daniel mentioned, it wasn't until the advents of the MiG-29 and Su-27 that this idea began to change. Right now on the ground the Russians are considering the adoption of the NATO style 120mm gun, replacing their older 125s, which despite being bigger in the bore and of equal or greater length to western weapons, they are considered inferior due to poor materials and construction. Their air units tend to follow suit - they are less sophisticated but more rugged, requiring less maintenance in general. But as mentioned before, this is beginning to change.

But I stand by my statement that Russian air units have not been able to match U.S. air units tit-for-tat. In most cases when a nation has some money to spare, they buy American for air. When you're poor, its Russian, and now mostly Chinese, or for some other powers particularly during the 60's, it was the French. [Trivia note, before the 1990's the Mirage III was the most prolific fighter variety in the world. The Israeli Kfir is based on a Mirage III variant in this game.].

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[katana]

what about the cope india 2004 when the US lost repeatively in combat simulations?
they said su-30mki outmaneuver the f-15 and f-18.

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[katana]

http://www.defensetech.org/archives/000976.html
heres the link.

"indian flyboys in low-tech Russian and French jets defeated American F-15C pilots more than 90 percent of the time."


USAF were outnumbered by 10 or 12 to 4. thats maybe why and i heard there were no AWACS assisting the F-15s.

IAF use Mirage-2000 (french) Mig-27, Mig-29, even the Mig-21 Bison and SU-30K.

even though they were outnumber f-15 suppose to win like iserals did when they were outnumbered.

yeah i know its just wargame but it surprise me how well IAF perform.

[DoubleTap]

I recall reading that at the end of the Cold War, it turned out that the Soviets were something like 25 years behind the Western Democracies in advanced metallurgy. Tough to make a decent modern fighter plane without titanium and advanced materials.

Also, don't we get about one tragic crash of a Flanker about once every 2 years or so at European airshows? Or does it just seem that way?
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[katana]

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[irashunal]

I have been bogged down with work projects for several weeks now and, alas, i have been buried to where i needed a periscope to even see the outside world! Obsolete parts suck.

I am glad to see that my question has gotten me so much information. I am fascinated by the military - and support any application thereof in the real world if it makes any type of strategic sense to our nation. Maybe i am a warmonger but, whatever.

As for the original subject matter: batch assault groups of MiGs are rather effective, i admit, but i tend to shy away from creating wolfpacks because of the 50 unit limit. But i realize that the limit prevents the command-and-conquer-esque ubertank battalion mode of play. I hated that - 30 friggin tanks on a blitzkrieg in RTS!!! AARGH!

I do like the British VTOL and their carriers though. I've been playing around with them lately - the few hours a week i get to play now. If there's water on the map there's a pair of carriers out there -those VTOLs are quite handy following my frontline advance all the way to payday.
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[ElricJC]

The thing is, the British Invincible has a greater air load capacity than compared to the Wasp, and it is a bit cheaper. The British Harriers also come in two major flavors - Air attack and Ground attack. Then they have the F-35, which I usually use as an AshW plane since it carries a pair of Harpoon missiles and is quite fast. The Brits can construct a rather inexpensive sea assault force. In one scenario I had 3 Invincibles, with about 4 Air Harriers, 6 Ground attackers, and 2 F-35s for ship killing, each with 3 transport helis with Spec. Forces. This mobile force could operate in hostile territory for some time before being forced to return to a friendly port. I followed them along with a supply ship, two frigates, and a Type 45 Destroyer, with an overflying Tornado Recon jet and a fuel tanker. Later I added a contingent of Jaguar attack jets for extra ground-poundy goodness and a couple of Eurofighters loaded for bear. I swept the Americans from the sea and soon crushed the Russians with a little more difficulty because of their good defensive position. It was the Wave Rush scenario I believe, but I replaced the French with the British in this case.

I just wish the Invincible had more, and better, weapons. Without close protection they are very vulnerable.

[SemperFi2382]

Ah, see you use a different naval strategy than I do. I generally have a carrier following my Marine Expeditionary Unit (MEU) consisting of a Wasp and a San Antonio. That way, my Harriers are all AtG configs to support my Amphibious Landing while the Carrier is providing, Recon, Jamming and AtA cover. My escort ships are tasked to anti naval warfare as I usually never have any problems with the AI on the high seas.
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